tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post8027348261345798995..comments2023-10-16T15:59:02.445+01:00Comments on NEIL HARDING: More Analysis On the Deputy Leadership.Neil Hardinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01333739272733802133noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-5571558758118259632007-06-21T00:20:00.000+01:002007-06-21T00:20:00.000+01:00No of course not - other people are alway hypocrit...No of course not - other people are alway hypocrites, never you :-)John Eckersleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12874387296463362537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-83825810997974165082007-06-20T21:22:00.000+01:002007-06-20T21:22:00.000+01:00Like I say I backtrack on the sweeping statement, ...Like I say I backtrack on the sweeping statement, but the general point is that religion can cloud someone's judgement. Hypocritical? Well I am quite open in my criticism of Blair over things like faith schools and open about my preference that he wasn't religious, so I don't think it is. Certainly not in the same way that NO2ID are hypocrites.Neil Hardinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01333739272733802133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-55935322171937501512007-06-20T18:00:00.000+01:002007-06-20T18:00:00.000+01:00Not what you said, though. You make exceptions if...Not what you said, though. You make exceptions if you feel the person who professes a strong belief is a bit of an atheist really? And you have the cheek to call others hypocrites? what a joke.John Eckersleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12874387296463362537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-71476759510424830642007-06-19T23:58:00.000+01:002007-06-19T23:58:00.000+01:00As a general rule, if someone is religious I do th...As a general rule, if someone is religious I do think it puts more doubt on their judgement - but of course - not necessarily.Neil Hardinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01333739272733802133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-56504771420396775282007-06-19T23:12:00.000+01:002007-06-19T23:12:00.000+01:00Oh I see, just for a second I thought you were ser...Oh I see, just for a second I thought you were serious! .....sorry - it's been a long dayJohn Eckersleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12874387296463362537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-55618678940869490152007-06-19T23:05:00.000+01:002007-06-19T23:05:00.000+01:00It was a sweeping statement - but I would certainl...It was a sweeping statement - but I would certainly trust Blair more if he were an atheist. In a lot of ways I suspect he is one really.Neil Hardinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01333739272733802133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-52260187500340212502007-06-19T22:45:00.000+01:002007-06-19T22:45:00.000+01:00That's not really the point is it? You were saying...That's not really the point is it? You were saying you can't trust the judgement of anyone who is a believer in all this nonsense - I agreed about Tony Blair. I gave the example of Iraq. I seriously doubt if his war saved any lives, but it's unknowable. <BR/><BR/>I think some of the less loony people in the USA would have stopped Bush nuking anyone, but that is unknowable - then again, if he had, the deaths from a single nuke could have been fewer if it stopped conflict like the WWII experience.<BR/><BR/>The fact is, by your own standards, you can't trust the judgment of Tony Blair, on Iraq, on Faith schools, The press, anything - you said so.John Eckersleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12874387296463362537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-12952317365573292252007-06-19T21:23:00.000+01:002007-06-19T21:23:00.000+01:00I think faith schools are a bigger mistake than Bl...I think faith schools are a bigger mistake than Blair's decision to back Bush over Iraq.<BR/><BR/>Faith Schools will cost lives and divide our society well into the future whereas backing Bush probably saved lives (especially if it stopped Bush using nuclear weapons in the middle east and bombing Al Jazeera and 'god knows' waht else).Neil Hardinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01333739272733802133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-6942997770325588122007-06-19T20:38:00.000+01:002007-06-19T20:38:00.000+01:00It is all gobbledygook and I don't understand how ...<I>It is all gobbledygook and I don't understand how we can trust anyone's judgement who believes such shit.</I><BR/>I agree - Mr (very religious) Blair's judgement on Iraq for one thing.<BR/><BR/>As a result of my basically Chistian upbringing (although I am an atheist and wasn't Christened - were you?) however, I feel we should practise religious tolerance whilst divorcing Church and state entirely and banning State funding for Faith schools.John Eckersleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12874387296463362537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-41811476067625794332007-06-18T15:54:00.000+01:002007-06-18T15:54:00.000+01:00Yep, more than any other issue it is faith schools...Yep, more than any other issue it is faith schools and other pandering to the religious that puts me off the Labour party leadership.<BR/><BR/>Saying that, there are more athiests in the Labour party than in any other.Neil Hardinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01333739272733802133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-33410611257073328622007-06-18T15:21:00.000+01:002007-06-18T15:21:00.000+01:00I too have chosen Hain. I too am concerned by the ...I too have chosen Hain. I too am concerned by the religious tendency in the party and its distorting effect. Benn is also rich.pierrebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15183026268810428082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-49314972073046457732007-06-17T02:11:00.000+01:002007-06-17T02:11:00.000+01:00I think anybody in this day and age who professes ...I think anybody in this day and age who professes religion is either an idiot or lying. That is what I believe and I think it is something that needs to be said more often. There really is no justification for believing in a god and all the superficial and vindictive nonsense that comes with it - all the stuff about burning in hell and angels and ghosts etc etc. It is all gobbledygook and I don't understand how we can trust anyone's judgement who believes such shit.Neil Hardinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01333739272733802133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-83233983550664345662007-06-17T02:07:00.000+01:002007-06-17T02:07:00.000+01:00The school is religious and well away from his con...The school is religious and well away from his constituency in Dagenham - his local school has poor results.<BR/><BR/>I don't blame Cruddas for doing the best for his children - but like Harman he is getting a better deal out of the state sector than some and this is unfair. It would be better if they sent their kids to an independent school and cut the pretence.Neil Hardinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01333739272733802133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-81277326937371776142007-06-15T20:16:00.000+01:002007-06-15T20:16:00.000+01:00Actually Cruddas doesn't send his son to a selecti...Actually Cruddas doesn't send his son to a selective school - that was just the Daily Mail spin - it's his local state comp. He uses his second home allowance alright, but so does almost every MP who isn't independently wealthy. <BR/><BR/>Frankly I'm rather alarmed that any so-called socialist would take the Daily Mail at face value on anything. Do you believe their stories about asylum seekers too? <BR/><BR/>Similarly I'm a bit surprised that you dismiss Benn because of his religion. I didn't actually know he was religious but I'm not sure it should make any difference. Would the same apply this test to his father? How about Keir Hardie? <BR/><BR/>Still, you're right about Blears and using all your votes to keep her out. All the other candidates have some merits by comparison.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-11150256643468621212007-06-15T18:59:00.000+01:002007-06-15T18:59:00.000+01:00indeed yeah will correct that.indeed yeah will correct that.Neil Hardinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01333739272733802133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-32234328280615918202007-06-15T18:06:00.000+01:002007-06-15T18:06:00.000+01:00'John Cruddas' with an 'h' is a sin indeed... :op'John Cruddas' with an 'h' is a sin indeed... :opTomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07801341846218646357noreply@blogger.com