tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post3044981275220290603..comments2023-10-16T15:59:02.445+01:00Comments on NEIL HARDING: Does The Burka Give You The Horn?Neil Hardinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01333739272733802133noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-89579026548060502672009-07-05T22:45:28.689+01:002009-07-05T22:45:28.689+01:00but I reserve the right to make my disapproval cle...<i>but I reserve the right to make my disapproval clear when I come across it in the street</i><br /><br />What others choose to wear is no business of yours. Somehow I don't think you would tolerate 'disapproval' being voiced by strangers on what you choose to wear.stephennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-49934871204391934872009-07-04T21:28:42.010+01:002009-07-04T21:28:42.010+01:00Even if people do wear them for robbing banks we s...Even if people do wear them for robbing banks we shouldn't ban them. We don't ban ski masks so why burkas?Simon Fawthrophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07519464855839416009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-70961614790562062082009-07-02T21:51:15.232+01:002009-07-02T21:51:15.232+01:00pzt, i think it is misygonistic oppression as well...pzt, i think it is misygonistic oppression as well. Can i ask how you show your disapproval?neil hardinghttp://neilharding.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-43258321311872875492009-07-02T21:41:43.107+01:002009-07-02T21:41:43.107+01:00You're probably right that we can't very p...You're probably right that we can't very practicably ban them, but I reserve the right to make my disapproval clear when I come across it in the street. I find it a quite nauseating example of the oppression of half the population, and I don't see why I should hide that.peezedteehttp://peezedtee.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-13912884891456704212009-07-02T14:41:42.320+01:002009-07-02T14:41:42.320+01:00falco, agreed. The internet shows human thoughts w...falco, agreed. The internet shows human thoughts warts and all.neil hardinghttp://neilharding.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-56527985024017457642009-07-02T14:39:31.203+01:002009-07-02T14:39:31.203+01:00pzt, apologies, got u mixed up with someone else. ...pzt, apologies, got u mixed up with someone else. You seem to have same views as me on CCTV. On burkas, when people start using them to rob banks etc, then maybe we should ban them, until then we should allow them.neil hardinghttp://neilharding.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-38124020460347551592009-07-02T12:14:48.085+01:002009-07-02T12:14:48.085+01:00"What made me laugh though, was that some men..."What made me laugh though, was that some men actually get turned on by the burka."<br /><br />There is nothing, and with the advent of the internet I do mean NOTHING, in this world so strange, unpleasant or just odd, that some people wont get the horn from it.<br /><br />The burka, as with many other forms of religiously or cultural backward dress for women, is not just an issue regarding appearance. It severely restricts movement and perhaps this gives another angle on the subjegation issue.<br /><br />As you are no doubt aware from my comments on other matters, I do not believe a ban would be good or helpful. The only thing we can do, is provide an avenue of escape for those women who reject their medieval cultural practices.Falcohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02403217488563637871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-74396848116433287272009-07-02T11:39:07.948+01:002009-07-02T11:39:07.948+01:00No, I mean if you are covering up your visual iden...No, I mean if you are covering up your visual identity you might reasonably be suspected of having something to hide. The converse is not true, i.e. it doesn't follow from that that if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. (Fallacy of the undistributed middle, I think.)<br /><br />I don't recall saying anything about the DNA database one way or the other. I don't know who "you guys" are, but maybe you have me confused with somebody else. The argument about CCTV is different and relates to the concept of public space. I don't oppose CCTV in the street on privacy grounds because I don't see how you can expect to have privacy when you are in a public place. If we had to have CCTV inside our homes (a la Orwell 1984), that would be a different matter, obviously.peezedteehttp://peezedtee.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-12000860322515643992009-07-02T11:10:30.390+01:002009-07-02T11:10:30.390+01:00PZT: You mean, if you have nothing to hide, you ha...PZT: You mean, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear? Now, where have I heard that before?<br /><br />Don't you guys use the opposite argument when it comes to CCTV and the DNA database?Neil Hardinghttp://neilharding.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-54744783845975755162009-07-02T10:33:26.331+01:002009-07-02T10:33:26.331+01:00I agree that people should be free to wear what th...I agree that people should be free to wear what they like. That is an important civil liberty, often overlooked recently. But I think we can reasonably draw the line at people completely covering up their face because we live in a society where people expect to be able to identify each other and where people only cover up their face when they are up to no good, e.g. bank robbers wearing masks.peezedteehttp://peezedtee.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com