tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post154186816602833903..comments2023-10-16T15:59:02.445+01:00Comments on NEIL HARDING: It Is Easier To Lie Than Tell The Truth.Neil Hardinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01333739272733802133noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-33419069155756659212008-07-25T15:30:00.000+01:002008-07-25T15:30:00.000+01:00urko: 4,000 children and 8,000 adults killed or se...urko: 4,000 children and 8,000 adults killed or seriously injured every year on our roads - how much media attention does this get?<BR/><BR/>Compare this to the massive coverage of the handful of stranger knife murders (50?). This totally distorts public opinion. Yes I quoted the road death figures wrong once (did I quote the above as daily - I forget) - but this was an innocent mistake and didn't invalidate the point I was making.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-49493047139225985372008-07-10T22:18:00.000+01:002008-07-10T22:18:00.000+01:00If you don't have to properly check your....facts,...<I>If you don't have to properly check your....<BR/>facts, if you don't have to be true to yourself </I><BR/><BR/>This comes from the King of the unsupported sweeping claim!<BR/><BR/>I cite as just one small example your total misquoting of road death statistics (which I am sure you remember). <BR/><BR/>What a joke!John Eckersleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12874387296463362537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-43530652779041843362008-07-02T15:32:00.000+01:002008-07-02T15:32:00.000+01:00snowflake: I just don't see the enthusiasm in the ...snowflake: I just don't see the enthusiasm in the party to welcome new members - maybe it has never been there, but our party - the only real hope for millions, has become ever more cliquey and every potential labour candidate is now asked to swear allegiance to the party (to always follow the whip- I refused). What can be more Soviet than that? <BR/><BR/>We have to get away from thinking that we can suppress and control everything that party members and candidates say. It doesn't matter - the press are against us, no matter what - we have got to start speaking our minds - Ken nearly pulled off a sensational victory polling 15% ahead of Labour nationally because he told the truth - and said what he thought. Political speak does not win votes anymore (if it ever did) - the voters want to see real people expressing real views, not Blear's robots.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-58245449058786616482008-07-02T14:07:00.000+01:002008-07-02T14:07:00.000+01:00Neil - there is plenty of debate within the Labour...Neil - there is plenty of debate within the Labour party - as you well know! It's just done <I>within</I> the party because that is a safe area where people can speak their minds freely and think outside the box without having to worry about our opponents or the press making mischief. Then when conclusions are reached, we share them with the outside world. It's the only way to proceed, because as you say yourself, we live in a world dominated by a right wing media that is determined to destroy us.<BR/><BR/>But I'm glad you admit that the Labour government has done many admirable things. Yay!snowflake5https://www.blogger.com/profile/14700425293614182769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-23442665157773560952008-07-01T22:01:00.000+01:002008-07-01T22:01:00.000+01:00Stephen, "ID Cards, univeral DNA databases, intern...Stephen, "ID Cards, univeral DNA databases, internment without trial" is all left wing authoritarian bullshit.<BR/><BR/>The right believes in individual freedoms, the left believes in state control.<BR/><BR/>I believe in rolling back the state wherever possible, less Government, less taxes and less interference in my life, not more.<BR/><BR/>PS Neil, you could just as easily say that Polly spouts hearsay and conjecture.Snafuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16069053283344578792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-15628923208064501792008-07-01T21:53:00.000+01:002008-07-01T21:53:00.000+01:00stephen: This is a right-wing Labour government - ...stephen: This is a right-wing Labour government - it is its right of centre attitude that is the problem - we will not solve that by having an even more right-wing Tory government. The FOI Act, workers rights, equalities legislation, will all go under the Tories - and CCTV and the database state will be unchanged (not as if I think it a problem anyway). Remember the Tories were the biggest enthusiasts for CCTV and DNA databases when in power, and still are in many councils.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-32315311703922747332008-07-01T21:47:00.000+01:002008-07-01T21:47:00.000+01:00ian QT - Most real lefties would love to see a ref...ian QT - Most real lefties would love to see a referendum on PR and the EU treaty (both promised in Labour's manifesto), but these people are not in power - rightwingers like Gordon Brown and Jack Straw are. <BR/><BR/>How come you right-wingers were never bothered about Labour breaking it's promise on PR. Doesn't that suggest you Righties are also 'afraid of the people' when it suits you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-81309466960955348632008-07-01T21:42:00.000+01:002008-07-01T21:42:00.000+01:00Mark, factcheckingpollyanna was a pedantic paradis...Mark, factcheckingpollyanna was a pedantic paradise - arguing over the rounding up of 1% here or there in Polly's figures. It never found one inaccuracy in Toynbee's figures that was significant or discredited the argument she had made. It didn't even try to address the argument - it was just a childish attempt at discrediting her with lies and distortion. The site was caught out enough times itself exagerating and making up figures. <BR/><BR/>As for the Tory government that is coming - you may want less spent on the NHS, education and public transport - do you think the public agree? Do you really want to see an even more regressive system of taxation? - because the historical evidence suggests that that is what you have got with every previous Tory government. Cameron will be worse than Thatcher IMHO. Do you think the Tories have ANYTHING to offer on reducing crime when Thatcher and Major doubled it? Do you even think the Tories of section 28 and dodgy donation sleaze (even while in opposition) will be better managers, less corrupt or less intrusive than the internment, sus law Tories of the past? You may be fed up of new Labour - I am as well, but you are barking mad if you think the Tories are better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-38408014538467748302008-07-01T17:48:00.000+01:002008-07-01T17:48:00.000+01:00Well Labour doesn't help itself by promoting all t...Well Labour doesn't help itself by promoting all this right wing authoritarian bullshit - ID Cards, univeral DNA databases, internment without trial and all the rest. It's cost you a lot of support from social liberals. For years Labour has been saying, 'we don't give a damn what the social libertarians say, they are irrelevant when we've got middle England on our side'. Well it looks like you are losing the middle class Tories who voted for Blair. So Labour now appears to be attenmpting to shore up its vote from the white working classes who might defect to the BNP and we get all ID Cards will keep out the darlies crap. Your part really needs to work out what it stands for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-21551007332810682972008-07-01T16:54:00.000+01:002008-07-01T16:54:00.000+01:00"Democracy is the left-wing friend.If that's the c...<I>"Democracy is the left-wing friend.</I><BR/><BR/>If that's the case, why are so many lefties afraid of letting the people have a say, particularly when it comes to the EU?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-46591801845200741712008-07-01T16:08:00.000+01:002008-07-01T16:08:00.000+01:00Neil, do you actually believe any of this or do yo...Neil, do you actually believe any of this or do you do it to wind people up?<BR/><BR/>Have you ever looked at Factcheckingpollyana? I can't vouch for Melanie P, but she's a woman and a journo so I've no doubt that she only half understands stuff and peddles a lot of prejudices and lies as well.<BR/><BR/>I always check my facts and figures, and logic tells me, Labour are shit and the Tories will be ever-so-slightly less shit.Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-56771326228199331452008-07-01T14:24:00.000+01:002008-07-01T14:24:00.000+01:00Whereas Polly actually bothers to read reports and...Whereas Polly actually bothers to read reports and quotes real statistics, the Right equivalent Melanie Phillips etc just spout hearsay and conjecture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-53646224906777081152008-07-01T13:36:00.000+01:002008-07-01T13:36:00.000+01:00Neil, you do come up with some real gems of double...Neil, you do come up with some real gems of double speak! Does Polly Toynbee ever distort the truth!?!<BR/><BR/>I wish I could see the light like you!Snafuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16069053283344578792noreply@blogger.com