tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post109124941855643210..comments2023-10-16T15:59:02.445+01:00Comments on NEIL HARDING: Jeremy Clarkson's Bank AccountNeil Hardinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01333739272733802133noreply@blogger.comBlogger101125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-84126648096206440652008-03-28T11:46:00.000+00:002008-03-28T11:46:00.000+00:00Your sneering at my ability to understand statisti...Your sneering at my ability to understand statistics is hilarious.<BR/><BR/>That aside, may I remind you that the point was you claimed "but the evidence does suggest that crime is reduced where they install CCTV" This claim was "supported" by a link to a story on the BBC website which gives a balanced account showing that the evidence is contradictory at best.<BR/><BR/>As for your utterly slippery politicians interprettation that a fall in the rate of increase is the same as a fall - that is proof positive that you're so incapable of seeing the truth that you've started to believe your own lies and spin. I know that anyway, from your slippery weasel words about Blair, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.John Eckersleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12874387296463362537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-47653002850106714032008-03-27T14:20:00.000+00:002008-03-27T14:20:00.000+00:00Urko: You are not really understanding how statist...Urko: You are not really understanding how statistics should be interpreted are you? <BR/><BR/>A rise in crime in some areas does not necessarily mean the cameras have not worked (the overall effect however was a drop in crime). There are a myriad of factors (e.g. in which direction crime was moving anyway etc). So CCTV may have made crime rise less than it would have. The case for CCTV may have been overhyped - but it still works, which is why so many communities want it. NACRO have a bit of an axe to grind anyway about cameras.<BR/><BR/>Of course CCTV is not a 'magic bullet', I never said it was, just a 'useful tool' in reducing crime. We both agree that CCTV helps catch criminals (<A HREF="http://www.johannhari.com/archive/article.php?id=1268" REL="nofollow">Johann Hari sums up my position perfectly here</A>). If you can catch criminals easier - most would admit that would have at least some deterrent effect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-50096190977201916562008-03-27T13:28:00.000+00:002008-03-27T13:28:00.000+00:00What a laugh, Neil. Do you ever read the links yo...What a laugh, Neil. Do you ever read the links you post? Not for the first time your link directs me to people who are saying exactly what I've been saying!<BR/><BR/>From your link:- <BR/><BR/>A report by the National Association for the Care and Resettlement of Offenders (Nacro) which was based on Home Office research, revealed that of 24 studies carried out in city centres, only 13 showed crime had fallen since CCTV cameras were installed. <BR/><BR/>Crime rates <B> rose significantly </B> in four other cities. <BR/> <BR/>Rachel Armitage, of Nacro's crime and social policy unit, said the cameras' effectiveness is <B>often "over-stated"</B>. <BR/><BR/>That conclusion was also borne out by a four-year study of CCTV in Glasgow. <BR/><BR/>The Scottish Centre for Criminology concluded in 1999 that the powers of the cameras had been <B>"over-hyped as a "magic bullet cure". </B>John Eckersleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12874387296463362537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-35733266834170612382008-03-19T11:58:00.000+00:002008-03-19T11:58:00.000+00:00Traditional CCTV, with some bored mug sitting at t...Traditional CCTV, with some bored mug sitting at the other end watching the pictures, doesn't bother me at all. Its effectiveness has been massively oversold but it doesn't threaten anyone's liberty directly. Though if it were used as an excuse to ban the wearing of the veil in public, that would be an outrageous attack on personal liberty and civil society.<BR/><BR/>If it were ever possible to identify someone reliably by software reading their facial characteristics, and that information were logged, then that would be the point at which I would say NO!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-60344698107927776092008-03-18T14:35:00.000+00:002008-03-18T14:35:00.000+00:00Urko - "quite plainly if CCTV prevented crime ther...Urko - "quite plainly if CCTV prevented crime there wouldn't be any to show".<BR/><BR/>CCTV is not a panacea, but the evidence does suggest that <A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2071496.stm" REL="nofollow">crime is reduced where they install CCTV</A>, which is why local neighbourhoods campaign for it. If there are problems with CCTV it is usually because of poor positioning, lack of publicity or poor quality of pictures, not because CCTV isn't useful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-83296230124250259892008-03-18T10:39:00.000+00:002008-03-18T10:39:00.000+00:00CCTV can be useful in identifying offenders and pr...CCTV can be useful in identifying offenders and providing evidence, but just like speed cameras. it doesn't seem to be a real deterrent, so it is (sometimes) good for dealing with crime that has happened, but not much use for preventing it. You pointed out yourself that Crimewatch has plenty of footage of crimes - quite plainly if CCTV prevented crime there wouldn't be any to show.John Eckersleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12874387296463362537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-82989774336944329812008-03-17T20:41:00.000+00:002008-03-17T20:41:00.000+00:00Urko: CCTV is ubiquitous and people seem to like i...Urko: CCTV is ubiquitous and people seem to like it. You are in a very small minority and I really don't see what your objection is. Do you really dispute that CCTV is useful in the fight against crime?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-77208604214883104012008-03-17T19:39:00.000+00:002008-03-17T19:39:00.000+00:00Private businesses and shopowners do not install C...<I>Private businesses and shopowners do not install CCTV for fun </I><BR/>I never said they did.<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>Crimewatch does exist</I><BR/>And every episode includes footage of unidentified villians up to no good - proof positive that CCTV doesn't stop crime.<BR/><BR/><I>people campaign for CCTV in their areas. This is not made up.</I><BR/>People Vote Tory and campaign for the Tories - what's your point?John Eckersleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12874387296463362537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-39169337056549910082008-03-16T23:36:00.000+00:002008-03-16T23:36:00.000+00:00It seems I have my first troll. Anon: I have not b...It seems I have my first <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll" REL="nofollow">troll</A>. Anon: I have not blocked anyone from this site - for a start I wouldn't know how to, but unlike you, I believe in honest debate and freedom of speech. Anyway, carry on, whatever makes you happy, I suppose.Neil Hardinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01333739272733802133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-34905102462730637902008-03-15T06:31:00.000+00:002008-03-15T06:31:00.000+00:00Urko,I really wouldn't waste time on Neil. Take it...Urko,<BR/><BR/>I really wouldn't waste time on Neil. Take it from me, his ex. (see my previous posts). The point is Neil Makes things up and has the ability to state them as fact , misleading everyone. He does this because he does not have the ability or intelligence to form an argment on facts, and reeps popularity from claiming he knows inside information on all aspects. I came back to this posting today, but won't bother anymore. I find it repulsive that he claims not to know his own ex. Why? because he wants to disociate himself from the truth about himself from someone who knows him so well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-86406273883989607532008-03-15T06:30:00.000+00:002008-03-15T06:30:00.000+00:00Urko,I really wouldn't waste time on Neil. Take it...Urko,<BR/><BR/>I really wouldn't waste time on Neil. Take it from me, his ex. (see my previous posts). The point is Neil Makes things up and has the ability to state them as fact , misleading everyone. He does this because he does not have the ability or intelligence to form an argment on facts, and reeps popularity from claiming he knows inside information on all aspects. I came back to this posting today, but won't bother anymore. I find it repulsive that he claims not to know his own ex. Why? because he wants to disociate himself from the truth about himself from someone who knows him so well.... and he he appears to have blocked me from posting withmy name/password- so much for discussion!!<BR/>RachAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-28939175965033295822008-03-06T02:02:00.000+00:002008-03-06T02:02:00.000+00:00Urko: "CCTV has dubious value" - you guys are livi...Urko: "CCTV has dubious value" - you guys are living on another planet! Private businesses and shopowners do not install CCTV for fun, Crimewatch does exist, people campaign for CCTV in their areas. This is not made up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-39238894620584838532008-03-04T18:10:00.000+00:002008-03-04T18:10:00.000+00:00Like ID cards, CCTV has dubious value, though. It...Like ID cards, CCTV has dubious value, though. It's unknowable how much crime it stops, but it doesn't stop it altogether,any more than speed cameras eliminate speeding.<BR/><BR/>Of course once drunken yobs have kicked someone's head in, there's a better chance of finding out who they are and proving the case if you have high quality video of it - but it doesn't stop it actually happening, so whilst I'm neutral on the invasion of privacy aspects of CCTV, I am sure it's been oversold in terms of the benefits.John Eckersleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12874387296463362537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-90809243183759593962008-03-04T01:06:00.000+00:002008-03-04T01:06:00.000+00:00Urko: I admit I have a more blase attitude to priv...Urko: I admit I have a more blase attitude to privacy than you. Yes, in some cases privacy is legitimate and understandable but I think CCTV has proved it is over-rated and built mostly on fear of what others will think - when frankly most people have no interest whatsoever as long as everybody is treated equally. It is when it is asymetrical there is a problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-50466314876080371722008-03-04T01:02:00.000+00:002008-03-04T01:02:00.000+00:00Urko: Perhaps. I said what I thought on the subjec...Urko: Perhaps. I said what I thought on the subject, who knows what the truth really is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-43653275286754938662008-03-04T00:40:00.000+00:002008-03-04T00:40:00.000+00:00Just because you have no respect for her (or anyon...Just because you have no respect for her (or anyone else's) right to privacy (or any court ruling you happen to disagree with) doesn't make her wrong, either.John Eckersleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12874387296463362537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-18135057941758525472008-03-04T00:36:00.000+00:002008-03-04T00:36:00.000+00:00Urko: There is always a reason why someone is sack...Urko: There is always a reason why someone is sacked - not always fair - but a reason. In the type of job this woman did, she must have pissed her employers off pretty badly to be given the push. Reading between the lines - you can see how she did it - not only having long periods off work (however legitimately) but also insisting on ruining an expensive research project. <BR/><BR/>Anyway, we are not going to agree on this. You have your views and I have mine - just because she persuaded a court doesn't mean she was in the right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-40659894235915145052008-03-04T00:21:00.000+00:002008-03-04T00:21:00.000+00:00I never said the woman was a saint or what you cal...I never said the woman was a saint or what you called her. I just think on the balance of probabilities that having been able to convince a court that she'd been treated unfairly, she had a point.<BR/><BR/>As for idealistic - that would be someone who claims "you don't get sacked for nothing" - sadly people do; and as for a test of stubbornness, I'd want a slightly more objective view before forming an opinion on the truth or otherwise of that.John Eckersleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12874387296463362537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-23304658705064677212008-03-03T22:04:00.000+00:002008-03-03T22:04:00.000+00:00Urko: I have written nearly a million words on aro...Urko: I have written nearly a million words on around 70 different subjects - and you have severely disagreed with me on several subjects and agreed on a couple. Hardly surprising really. On the blogosphere people are much more likely to comment when they disagree than agree - so I don't think I am doing too badly. I put across my opinions on pretty much everything in the strongest possible terms, sometimes I have changed my mind, sometimes altered my view slightly and sometimes stuck to my guns. This to me is the purpose of blogging, test your ideas out and alter them if needby. I think when it comes to stubbornness, I am less stubborn than most.Neil Hardinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01333739272733802133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-33962617739627205042008-03-03T21:16:00.000+00:002008-03-03T21:16:00.000+00:00I'm entitled to my opinion - if you haven't got an...I'm entitled to my opinion - if you haven't got an opinion what is the point of writing a blog? I don't think you have any more evidence to support your idealistic view that this woman was a saint.Neil Hardinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01333739272733802133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-71030136066035832302008-03-03T21:05:00.000+00:002008-03-03T21:05:00.000+00:00Yes, as usual, you know better than the courts, th...Yes, as usual, you know better than the courts, the woman herself; in fact anyone.John Eckersleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12874387296463362537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-51303636339442169312008-03-03T20:54:00.000+00:002008-03-03T20:54:00.000+00:00Urko: It's my opinion, maybe I am wrong, but I fee...Urko: It's my opinion, maybe I am wrong, but I feel I am probably right. Past experience sometimes gives you a feel for these things. She won in the courts and got herself a load of dosh - well done to her!Neil Hardinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01333739272733802133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-49675506026089767872008-03-03T20:36:00.000+00:002008-03-03T20:36:00.000+00:00Yes, as usual, you know better than the courts, th...Yes, as usual, you know better than the courts, the woman herself; in fact anyone.John Eckersleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12874387296463362537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-11967918341854052392008-03-03T20:20:00.000+00:002008-03-03T20:20:00.000+00:00Urko: I refer you to my last comment on this. I do...Urko: I refer you to my last comment on this. I do not know this woman - but people do not get the sack for nothing - I can read between the lines on this case.Neil Hardinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01333739272733802133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14115431.post-12225394855400695352008-03-03T20:04:00.000+00:002008-03-03T20:04:00.000+00:00Neil - do you know this Rach woman or not? You don...Neil - do you know this Rach woman or not? You don't sound very sure?John Eckersleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12874387296463362537noreply@blogger.com